It's not right to say something is imminent when you admittedly have no clue of the "time or the hour". Would it be moral to tell people that the cure for cancer is about to be released by scientists imminently? How do you think those people will view you in, say five or ten years when their sick loved ones have perished from the disease and there's no release of said cure? Is it moral to be telling people for another century that this cure is still imminent? Is your claim justified by saying, "well, we're closer now to the cure than we were last century - that's for sure!" You don't have the right to preach imminence of the cure for cancer when, like Armageddon, you haven't the damnedest idea when it will happen. That's called dishonesty.
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The false prophet strikes again! Didn't anyone notice?
by nowwhat? inlast year during the closing talk our favorite anthony morris lll in all his glory declared" armageddon is imminent!
" on the broadcast screen at every regional convention world wide!
well it has been a year now and if you look at the definition of imminent , we are well past the expiration date..
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Why the term "waking up?"
by Sour Grapes inis the term "waking up" the best way to describe when a jdub starts to have doubts?
to me, it is rather that a jdub realizes that what they have believed for years was a pack of lies and then they have to make a conscious decision if they want to continue to believe in lies or stop being a jdub or just go along for the ride.. it just amazes me how many die-hard jdubs there are despite every failed prophecy about the end coming, the borg being a part of the dreaded wild best united nations, the put down of women in the borg, the massive cover-up of the child abuse in the borg, the willingness to let a child die because they need blood, and the eagerness to shun a child who at the age of 10 got dunked to make mommy and daddy happy only to not want to be a jdub later and have the parents treat them like they are dead because 8 overweight, balding, goofy looking, incoherent men in upper state new york say that are the rules for being a christain.. jehovah's witnesses are a very sad cult that attracts people with emotional, psychological, or medical issues, have very large egos, can't make simple decisions, and believe in the tooth fairy..
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It's called waking up because the whole thing was a nightmare.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses selfish??
by stuckinarut2 inis the average jehovah's witness selfish and self-centred?.
i know, i know...many will object and say "no - preaching is the most selfless thing a jw can do.
it saves others lives...".
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The whole Jehovah's Witness organization by its own policies is selfish. It's a self-serving corporation, only caring for its own (scarcely, at that) and sapping up outside resources in a non-reciprocal fashion. Users and abusers.
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Strange conundrum
by doubtfull1799 ini just had a thought inspired by @newboy's recent post:.
why is it that despite the watchtower corporation being arguably the biggest publishing house in history, having produced billions of tracts, brochures, magazines, books for o very 100 years, and having the largest army of volunteer publicity agents on the planet, that 99% of the population is still clueless as to what their message is all about?.
if you ask random people what jw's beleive you will rarely get the so-called "good news": gods kingdom is going to soon usher in a paradise earth and fix all the worlds problems under the 1000 year reign of christ.. you will instead get: "they're the people who... 1. don't celebrate christmas or birthdays, 2. don't take blood, 3. go around with the watchtower, 4. have big assemblies... etc etc".
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Associating Watchtower publications with people who door knock or have big assemblies is tantamount to associating Reader's Digest with people who digest stuff.
Vague and ineffectual to say the least.
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Brainwashing by religious cult leaders (JWS) why and how to identify when its happening
by Finkelstein inhear the term brainwashing and you might think of government agents ‘turning’ unwilling spies against their own countries, or cult leaders using mind control to manipulate their followers.. you might even go so far as to think of the term brainwashing in relation to propaganda spread during the first and second world wars, in order to influence vast amounts of people.. but what exactly is brainwashing and should we confine it to the past?.
what is brainwashing?.
the term brainwashing was first coined in the 1950’s during the korean war.
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@Finkelstein What a great article! Thank you for sharing this fascinating read. You can see this formula woven throughout Watchtower's indoctrination methods.
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How about having a special undercover mode so PIMOs can browse the site with greater security?
by Island Man inwhen you visit the site it says jehovahs-witness big and bold.
a pimo might be browsing the site and a jw might come up behind him unexpectedly and notice he's visiting a site about jws other than jw.org, which can lead to the pimo reported for viewing apostate information.. to help remedy this risk, i was thinking about the possibility of having a button that activates an undercover mode where the title of the site is not prominently displayed so it's not easily apparent to an accidental eavesdropper that it's an apostate website.
also, the color-scheme and graphics can be different so that it doesn't look like the regular site.
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@Diogenesister I know @stuckinarut2's employee did that to his PC when she was supposed to be working. Went through his history or something and handed him straight to the elders.
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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses
by Ireneus inbible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.
let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.
1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).
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Thanks, @venus. I always keep an eye out for both yours and @Ireneus' posts. I know they go against the grain here, but I find it interesting to weigh up different perspectives.
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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses
by Ireneus inbible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.
let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.
1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).
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Hey @Irenus, I appreciate you sharing that.
Of course many people think of the Bible as science for stupid people - particularly when it's reduced to its more fundamentalist manifestations. Those fundamentalists who say that the Bible is literally true have shot themselves in the foot already. By default, they are history deniers and have doomed themselves to subscribe to a rudimentary world knowledge before the emergence of science several thousand years later.
However, rather than completely writing off the Bible as merely pre-rational superstition, I give it credit for when it was written with the limited information humans had at that time. These are ancient ideas (the story of Genesis was not a new one and has been around for over 10,000 years) that were created with so much blood and effort that it's incalculable.
For one thing, I don't think it's an accident that the axiomatic Western individual is someone who was unfairly nailed to a cross and tortured. Even the ancient civilizations understood that in order to rise, we must pick up our own suffering and bear it. Like the story of Christ (and unlike our animal ancestors), we should be conscious about others in the process to help move society and, by extension, humanity forward. It's clear that those responsible for propagating such mythological accounts understood that human beings need to make sacrifices in order to progress.
We see this acted out to begin with in the Old Testament where the people made genuine archaic sacrifices. They would take something that they believed had value (often a prized animal) and burned it as an offering to God. That's not as stupid as it sounds. Consider the reason it was burned. As far as I've been able to tell, is because of the ancient perception of the world (a flat disc with the sky acting as bowl on top. Beyond that bowl was where the gods existed). That grand sense of awe a secular person feels when gazing up into the infinitesimal sky was interpreted by these civilizations as something divine. What else were they to think? So if they burned something and offered it up to a deity, the smoke would rise and God would be able detect the quality of their sacrifices.
I see that as a dramatic representation of the fundamental idea that sometimes, in order to make things go well in your life, you have to let go of something that you love dearly, or of something you deeply want to do. Consider the sacrifice of waking up. Many of us have let something valuable go (a belief system, often including family) in hopes for a better future - either for ourselves or for others (our children).
To get to the heart of it - what's the most valuable thing to each and every one of us? Our lives. And that's the central injunction of the mythological figure behind Christianity... someone who voluntarily sacrifices their life for the benevolent will that mankind has a better future. For one of the earliest attempts at surmising the meaning of life, that's not bad at all, if you ask me. But to weaponize these accounts as literal and a means for control through organized religion - that's when the symbols you speak of get muddied, ridiculed and demonized, be it by disenchanted individuals, or entire intellectual movements.
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People are nice and life is awesome.
by OneEyedJoe ini got invited as a +1 to someone's house yesterday to watch the fireworks.
i'd never met the hosts, and it seemed that most of the people in the group only knew one or two other people there.
yet i felt more genuine friendship from everyone there than i ever felt at any jw gathering.
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If we're not laughing, we may as well be crying, @zeb :P.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses selfish??
by stuckinarut2 inis the average jehovah's witness selfish and self-centred?.
i know, i know...many will object and say "no - preaching is the most selfless thing a jw can do.
it saves others lives...".
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A JW parent will shun their child for not conforming to THEIR belief system. If that's not self-centered, I don't know what is. As a parent, my life is one of sacrifice for my child. It's not about his life not conforming with mine. It's an amalgamation and negotiation between making both worlds co-exist in harmony.